Billy the Ex-Bethelite

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  Best Christmas Song?

  by snugglebunny in

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  a catchy little number this one!

  curiously, this little known christmas song by perry como was actually the theme tune to the odessa file movie back in the 70's.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l1uddoh-yu.

  so what have you got?.

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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite

  littlerockguy beat me to posting Jordan's incredible performance, so I'll post Jeffery's:
  

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egRc4cjTWbk
  

  And we mustn't forget this Christmas melody that is very similar to a certain old Kingdumb malady:
  

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Dec9Jb_Ac4
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  My dilemma

  by Saltheart Foamfollower in

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  i have a bit of a dilemma that i would welcome advice on from the forum.. a brother in my congregation is giving evidence of having woken up - his comments and talks are usually slanted towards topics discussed here.

  he is a former elder and is part of a group of other former elders and ministerial servants who i regularly overhear using terms i would expect to hear from ones knowing ttat.

  he is a quite an effective teacher and will probably influence some.. however, in the past he has caused lots of problems for myself and others who i like (including another poster to this site who i have identified) and continues to be someone who i dislike intensely on a personal level.. his comments have been noticed by the body of elders and he is being watched.

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  His comments have been noticed by the body of elders and he is being watched. So my dilemma is whether I should warn/help him or should I leave things alone or even try to expose him?

  He's probably already well aware that he's "being watched". Trying to expose him would most likely expose you more than him. From the information you've provided, I'd just give him time and space. Rather than spending time and effort on him, work on your own plans. Observing how things develop with him can give you a lot of information for what you should or shouldn't say/do around the elders and congregation.
  
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  OK friends lets be honest, if a Nuclear Holocaust took place today how many of you would return to the KH?

  by James Mixon in

  1. watchtower
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  speaking for my self, no way in hell.. this question to see if you really have been deprogramed,.

  do you 100% believe it is not the truth.. a fourth of the world hit by a nuclear attack..

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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite

  If something like that happened, it would only further prove that WT is wrong. Their prophecy is that the UN will destroy organized religion and then their desert god will kill everyone except the holiest of JWs. They never prophesied that a fourth of the world would be wiped out in nuclear blasts.
  

  Why would I go back to their 100% false prophecies?

  Besides, the facilities at Brooklyn, Warwick, Wallkill, and Patterson would probably all be vaporized. There might be local Kingdumb Hauls to return to, but the head of the WT monster would be obliterated.

  On second thought, I might go back if I needed to use the toilet or if their wifi was working.
  
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  New Watchtower Propaganda and hate speech destroying families (Feb 2016 WT)

  by Daniel1555 in

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  the following is a paragraph from the new february study watchtower article "learn from jehovah's loyal servants.".

  7 a conflict of loyalties may arise when a close relative is disfellowshipped.

  for example, a sister named anne [1] received a telephone call from her disfellowshipped mother.

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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite

  professional maleslut

  I want to change my username to that!
  
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  Update on everything going on in JW Land - Insider Information

  by thedepressedsoul in

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  i'd like to start off by saying that i will be very vague in everything i say.

  i am fairly "high up" in jw land and have to be somewhat careful how i word and say stuff.

  sorry in advance if any specific details are left out.

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  - We have often heard on here that the GB are now "rock stars". I have witnessed this first hand. I'm talking about a mob circling around them when they are at an event.

  I think the previous "generation" of GB were more careful about limiting their exposure. One story I heard: When Ireland had a big group dfd for apostasy, a bunch of them went to Brooklyn, went on tour and got lots of pictures with the GB and other heavies. Then they returned to Ireland and waved those pictures in front of the local Irish JWs saying how the GB had happily talked to them. Of course, as bethelites we all knew who the GB members were and had our favorite impersonations of them.

  Where the previous GB was more private and careful about expressing their opinions, this "generation" of GB is more like Donald Trump. They love being the center of attention and will say whatever notion comes into their heads. Don't get me wrong, the previous GB enjoyed plenty of adoration, but this bunch can appropriately be called "attention whores", I believe.
  

  The Bethelites are not happy. The ones being sent home seem rather bitter yet at the same time trying to come off as still being really spiritual. A lot also seem to be in shell shock. You hear a lot of witnesses also trying to justify why the branch would do this. It's pretty funny the stuff they come up with.

  Many of these probably still remember the same comments I heard. I still vividly remember comments from Sydlik encouraging us to stay in bethel as "lifers" and that we would always be taken care of by our "bethel family". And with Jaracz, it was all about the organization and how the headquarters and branch staffs would keep growing and growing. All those promises died, just like those GB members, and were buried right along with them at the Wallkill "Launching Pad".

  And these bethelites who've been "put out to pasture" probably remember when most of these current GB members came in as new boys to the Service Department at Patterson. In bethel, seniority rules. So what does the current GB do? Get rid of many of those bethelites that have more seniority than them and replace them with low seniority new members that can still bend over to be good boot-lickers to the GB.
  
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  Samuel Herd: a woman saying "if she were a man....." is borderline being a homosexual

  by Khaleesi in

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  2. beliefs

  not sure if this was posted before... but apparently for the wt a woman's smaller cranium than a man's shows she was designed to be in submission to the man!!

  unbelievable he dared to say such things!.

  https://youtu.be/wqzc2m8_mba.

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  And what is the fixation of the GB, and most JWs, on sex? And especially on homosexuality? I mean, a woman expresses the desire to be a dude so she would have the power to correct something and what does Sammy do? He ignores the "something" that needs correction and accuses the woman of being homosexual. Classic "ad hominem" fallacy.
  

  He's not just an idiot, he's a dirty-minded pervert.
  
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  Privacy

  by Esmeralda001 in

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  2. experiences

  i need some advice guys.

  how do you get people to mind their own buiseness without coming off as rude?.

  i was invited to a jw gathering last night.

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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite

  I've met both JWs and nonJWs that ask a lot of questions like this that can be perceived as overly familiar. I don't take it personally or get offended. My parents would probably be considered by some as "heavy questioners", but it was part of their desire to be conversational. I've often encountered it differently with different cultures. Where my parents wouldn't inquire about "are you married/dating/seeing someone/interested in getting fixed up with someone I know", I've been around plenty of other cultures (including nonJWs) where this was their next question after my name.
  

  It kinda depends on my mood and whether I feel like engaging. If I'm really uncomfortable, I excuse myself for whatever reason, to go to the bathroom, or get something to drink, then not rejoin them. If I do feel like engaging, and I usually do, I make my answers sincere and interesting. I think that anyone who's read some of my many posts will understand that I never give one word answers... well, except for new members where I may just say "welcome".
  

  what are your parents names?

  Ask me that and I'll engage you in a conversation for several minutes about my family history and ethnicity. It's a conversation I've had many, many times. Then, it's polite to inquire about their family

  I dunno, maybe I've just been through all kinds of personal questions enough times that they just don't bother me that much.
  
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  Fade update...

  by StarTrekAngel in

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  i have attended only one meeting in the past 3 weeks.

  i know there is no way to leave this cult fast enough, but is my fade too fast?

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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite

  Are there others in the congregation that are also weak, faded, irregular, or otherwise occupying the eldurs' time?

  Some congregations have enough problems that they don't even notice if someone quietly stops attending.
  
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  November Study WT "Train You Child to Love Going Door 2 Door"

  by JW_Rogue in

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  2. beliefs

  been catching up on some jw reading and found a gem in the november study wt in the first article, paragraph #11:.

  yet, you might look beyond the obvious and ask yourself, does my child enjoy the ministry or only the breaks?

  if you discern that the ministry could be more interesting or more rewarding for your children, set goals with them.

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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite

  I was about that age when I started working doors by myself, and got cussed out by an angry householder for the first time.
  
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  Thrown out to the wolves!

  by Pandx in

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  2. friends

  (2. after offering prayer without the disfellow-shipped person present, invite him into the room.

  ) i needed answers to as why the elders would not pray when they talked to me in the room.

  3 letters have been sent to get reinstated and all denied and forgotten!

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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite

  Welcome Pandx!

  I thought that the elders were guided by holy spirit but so many things just didn't make sense

  You were indoctrinated to believe that the elders received magical, invisible guidance. They don't. It's all mind-control that empowers some and crushes others. It's foundation is a corporation directed by some dudes in Brooklyn who got their positions of authority by kissing all the right a$$es while nibbling crackers and sipping wine once each year. There's no "holy spirit" anywhere in that mess.